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About this site

The purpose of this website is to host my research notes into the following question:

Does God exist?

Note: Almost all of my study of God is related to the Christian God.

I've done a lot of reading on this topic (see Reading List) and I must acknowledge that the assertion God exists or God doesn't exist falls into a category of unfalsifiable assertions based on current knowledge. So, what remains is the accumulation and evaluation of the evidence supporting each assertion and deciding which one is most plausible. The conclusion you will make, I assert, will be heavily influenced by your accumulated experience, cultural influences, religious training, education, mental health and other influences since your birth. In other words, your conclusion will, most likely, NOT be based on the unbiased evaluation of the evidence. It is only through extensively exploring both sides of an issue with an open mind that dogmatic positions have a chance of releasing their hold on the believer.

Evidence for "God exists" falls into these general categories (not a complete list):

  • Religious Philosophy (thought exercises)
  • Personal Experience (which has led to the many religious documents in existence)
  • Mysticism (i.e. experience IS reality)

Evidence for "God doesn't exist" is, essentially, the lack of the kind of evidence or data that is routinely used in science, technology, mathematics, forensics, and other technical domains (I'll take the liberty to lump these all together as science). It should be noted that the above categories of evidence for "God exists" are generally not used or accepted in the day to day practice of science. Evidence used for science is the sort of information that can be tested and verified by anyone with the skills and tools necessary to setup and perform the test. It is also the sort of information that can be used to build a hydrogen bomb, a cell phone, a space station, a Formula 1 race car, etc. This is the sort of information that every human being (every organism) that exists on Earth uses to survive and thrive each and every day.

Additionally, the evidence and arguments provided by this website will attempt to demonstrate the errors, inconsistencies, absurdities, immorality, etc., that exists in the Christian Bible. There are similar issues with the Koran. If the Christian Bible is not a coherent, factual document and aligned with our current scientific knowledge, then doubt can be cast on the existence of the God from which the contents of the Bible originated. For example, conservative Christians will argue, based on Bible scripture, that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that God created Adam and Eve as the literal first humans and all other humans are descendants of these first two humans. Many different disciplines of science have produced evidence that the Earth is billions of years old and that all biological life, including humans, have evolved from lower life forms over those billions of years. These are just two of the latest examples of where science is challenging the truth claims of the Christian Bible. Following are examples of truth claims found in the Bible which are not possible based on the current understanding of the "regularly" occurring natural laws of nature.

  • A talking snake
  • The sun staying still in the sky
  • An ocean being parted
  • A pregnant virgin
  • A staff turning into a snake
  • A talking donkey
  • Hundreds of dead people rising in Jerusalem at once
  • A woman turning into a pillar of salt
  • Special fruit that grants profound knowledge
  • A strong man killing a thousand enemies with a donkey jawbone
  • A man’s strength caused by his long hair
  • A man surviving in the belly of a fish for three days
  • People's languages being suddenly changed as a punishment
  • Half man, half “son of god” giants called Nephilim
  • City walls falling down due to a trumpeting ritual
  • Turning water into wine
  • Men walking around in a fiery furnace, unhurt
  • People living for more than nine hundred years
  • Bizarre blood rituals to cure serious disease
  • Wise men following a star in the sky to a specific house
  • All the water in Egypt turning to blood
  • A man walking on water
  • A man riding a chariot of fire into the sky
  • Sheep born speckled due to being conceived while looking at striped sticks 
  • Bread and fish being multiplied to feed thousands 
  • A bush on fire that doesn't burn up 
  • A fig tree withering instantly after being cursed
  • Every kind of animal living on a boat for a year

I will also acknowledge that, even if God doesn't exist, there still may be a need for "Religion" due to 1) our human biological condition of being aware of our individual existence and eventual demise, 2) our social needs which lead to "grouping" together with others of like mind, kinship, culture, etc.

Another observation worth noting is that some philosophical and scientific concepts are just difficult to understand and take a lot of study to comprehend. For example, I took four Calculus classes during my Engineering studies in college. It was difficult for me to understand the concepts. However, at some point during those classes, the ah-ha moment happened and it suddenly made sense. Without putting in the time and effort to study Calculus, I would not be able to say I understand it. My point is that, even with this topic, much study is required to grasp the arguments for either position.

The following sections will attempt to layout the evidence.

Disclaimer

If you really want to go down this path, then be prepared to have your belief system challenged whether you believe or do not believe God exists. To some degree, this path is a philosophical study.

The authors of Introduction to Philosophy: Classical and Contemporary Readings, Louis Pojman and James Fieser explain this succinctly.

Philosophy is the love of wisdom (from the Greek philos, "love," and sophia, "wisdom"). It is the contemplation or study of the most important questions in existence, with the end of promoting illumination and understanding, a vision of the whole. It uses reason, sense perception, the imagination, and intuitions in its activities of clarifying the concepts and analyzing and constructing arguments and theories as possible answers to these perennial questions. It is revolutionary because its deliverances often disturb our common sense or our received tradition. Philosophy usually goes against the stream or the majority, since the majority opinion is often a composite of past intellectual struggles or "useful" biases. There is often deeper truth, better and new evidence that disturbs the status quo and that forces us to revise or reject some of our beliefs. This experience can be as painful as it is exciting.

The pain may lead us to give up philosophical inquiry, and a great deal of emotional health may be required in order to persevere in this pursuit. We may retreat into unreason and obey the commandment of Ignorance. "Think not, lest thou be confounded!" Truth (or what we seem justified in believing) may not always be edifying, but in the end the philosopher's faith is that Truth is good and worth pursuing for its own sake, and for its secondary benefits. The intelligent inquiry that philosophy promotes is liberating, freeing us from prejudice, self-deceptive notions, and half truths. As Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) put it:

The [person] who has no tincture of philosophy goes through life imprisoned in the prejudices derived from common sense, from the habitual beliefs of his age or nation, and from convictions which have grown up in his mind without the co-operation or consent of his deliberate reason... [W]hile diminishing our feeling of certainty as to what things are, [philosophy] greatly increases our knowledge as to what they may be; it removes the somewhat arrogant dogmatism of those who have never traveled into the region of liberating doubt, and it keeps alive the sense of wonder by showing familiar things in an unfamiliar light.[1]

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Summary of Arguments based on Religious Philosophy

The objective of this section is to present the most common religious philosophical arguments used to argue FOR or AGAINST God. This is a rich topic and only a short list is provided below.

This section is based on “Introduction of Philosophy, 4th edition, Louis P. Pojman & James Fieser, Part III.” I highly recommend that you obtain this book or another like it and read the various essays related to religious philosophy. It is fascinating.

The first four arguments are FOR God’s existence and the agnostic/atheist base their cases on absence of evidence to support these arguments. The existence of evil, says the agnostic/atheist, is an argument for God’s non-existence.

Cosmological Argument for God (a posteriori)

All cosmological arguments contain these basic assumptions:

  1. The universe exists
  2. Something outside the universe is required to explain the existence of the universe.
    1. The universe is contingent, depending on something outside the universe for its existence.
  3. God is such a being

A version of the cosmological argument is called the “first-cause argument.”

  1. Everything in the universe has a cause.
  2. An infinite regression is impossible. The series of causes and effects cannot go on indefinitely but must have a beginning.
  3. So there must be a first cause (outside the universe) capable of producing everything besides itself (which is not produced, but a necessary being).
  4. Such a being must be an infinite, necessary being; that is, God.

St. Thomas Aquinas is most famous for making this argument. This argument can be challenged at every point. For examples, see writings by Bertrand Russell and David Hume. DTA

Teleological Argument for God (a posteriori)

All Teleological arguments contains these basic assumptions:

  1. The design manifested in the world shows the hand of a grand designer.
  2. The world shows intelligent purpose or order and there must be a divine intelligence, a supreme designer to account for the observed or perceived intelligent purpose or order.

A good example of this argument can be found in William Paley’s Natural Theology “watch” argument. This argument has been refuted, most famously, by David Hume as well as Charles Darwin in Origin of Species and his theory of “variation and natural selection.” DTA

Ontological Argument for God (a priori)

This argument was first established by Anselm, archbishop of Canterbury, in the eleventh century. It raises philosophical problems such as (1) whether existence is a property and (2) whether the notion of necessary existence is intelligible. The argument that follows may be treated as a reduction ad absurdum argument. That is, it begins with a supposition (S) that is contradictory to what one desires to prove and then goes about showing that (S) together with other certain or self-evident assumptions (A-1 and A-2) yields a contradiction, which in turn demonstrates that the contradictory of (S) must be true. Anselm’s argument goes like this:

  1. Suppose that the greatest conceivable being (GCB) exists in the mind alone (and not in reality). (S)
  2. Existence in reality is greater than existence in the mind alone. (A-1)
  3. We can conceive of a GCB that exists in reality as well as in the mind. (A-2)
  4. Therefore, there is a being that is greater than the GCB. (from 1, 2, & 3)
  5. But this is impossible, for it is a contradiction.
  6. Therefore, it is false that GCB exists in the mind alone and not in reality (from 1 & 5). So a GCB must exist in reality as well as in the mind. This being is, per definition, God.

A contemporary of Anselm, Gaunilo, set forth the first objection to this argument claiming this argument could be made for the greatest conceivable “anything” such as an island.

Argument from Religious Experience for God (a posteriori)

This argument appeals to mystical experiences and claims of extraordinary revelation as evidence for God’s existence. The problem with religious experiences is that they are private. William James, F. C. Copleston, C. D Broad claim that personal experience is valid evidence for God’s existence.

Bertrand Russell and Sigmund Freud made cases against personal experience as proof of God’s existence.

Argument from Evil for God (a posteriori)

The theist argues:

  1. God is all-powerful (including omniscient).
  2. God is perfectly good.
  3. But, Evil exists.

This can be perceived as a paradox or, worse, a contradiction. DTA

The opposing argument is:

  1. If God (an all-powerful, omniscient, omnibenevolent being) existed, there would be no (or no unnecessary) evil in the world.
  2. There is evil (or unnecessary evil) in the world.
  3. Therefore, God does not exist

The writings of Voltaire, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Bruce Russell and Richard Swinburne are examples that explore both sides of this argument. DTA

Evolution vs Creationism

The objective of this section is to present the scientific case for evolution as the only currently plausible scientific theory that explains the existence of life on Earth and that Scientific Creationism and its cousin, Intelligent Design, are not based on science but, instead, religion. The United States legal system has repeatedly supported this conclusion.

The debate regarding creationism vs evolution has been going on since Darwin published his groundbreaking "On the Origin of Species." The debate has made its way through the courts a number of times; from the Scopes trial in 1925 to more recent cases such as the 2004 case in Dover, Pennsylvania in Kitzmiller v. Dover area School Board (see NOVA video: Judgement Day - Intelligent Design on Trial). Currently, due to the establishment clause in the constitution, religion can't be taught in public schools. Intelligent Design was determined, in the Dover case, to be repackaged creationism (religion) and can't be legally taught in public schools.

The Dover case is fascinating because of the intense scrutiny of the best argument for "special creation", intelligent design, as well as evolution, by the best intellectual experts on both sides. It was ruled that intelligent design is not based on science and it's key claim regarding irreducible complexity was dismantled by the plaintiffs side. It was also determined that intelligent design is repackaged creationism in order to skirt around the establishment clause of the constitution.

Other key court cases affecting the teaching of Creationism in state public schools:

To understand legal issues involving the creation and evolution controversy, one must first understand the three clauses of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. The Religion Clause states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The Free Speech Clause states, "or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." The third clause proclaims "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." All of the legal decisions generated by the creation and evolution controversy have been decided based on interpretation of the Religion and Free Speech clauses of the First Amendment.

The Establishment and Fee Exercise clauses, taken together, mean that public institutions have to be religiously neutral.

Laws have been judged for Establishment Clause constitutionality by applying a three part test devised in a 1971 Supreme Court case, Lemon v. Kurtzman. The Lemon test requires that a bill or practice must have a secular rather than a religious purpose; it must not have an effect that either promotes or inhibits religion, and it must not create undue entanglement between government and religion. Failure on any of three "prongs" of Lemon means the bill is unconstitutional. --- Eugenie C. Scott - Evolution vs. Creationism Ch. 9

Thus, evolution remains intact as the only science based theory that explains the history and diversity of life on Earth. It should be noted that even evolution has not yet explained the actual process of how that first replicating cell/organism came into existence. It does explain how the subsequent diversity of life came into existence.

If you really want to learn more about evolution, I recommend actually reading Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" and another book that explains it more succinctly, such as Richard Dawkins "The Blind Watchmaker." Warning: Dawkins is an excellent teacher of complex subject matter, but he can be very disrespectful of views opposing evolution. Additionally, reading a book on basic genetics would provide the foundation for some of the mechanisms of evolution.

It should also be noted that the Catholic church, via various proclamations by various Popes, have accepted evolution as a means by which God created man's physical body. This is called "Theistic Evolution." However, the Catholic position also adds that God alone created and infused man with his soul.

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The bulk of this section is found on the following page and is primarily a summary of the evolution vs creationism debate as laid down by Eugenia C. Scott in her book Evolution VS Creationism.

Evolution vs Creationism

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Age of the Earth

The objective of this section is to demonstrate the overwhelming scientific evidence that the earth is old or ancient rather then the 6,000 to 10,000 years old asserted by Christian creationists. To claim the Earth is young in the face of this overwhelming scientific evidence reminds me of the Catholic Church dragging Galileo before the court because he asserted that the Earth is not the center of the universe (which is no longer contested by Christian Church).

See Rational Wiki for the explanation of each of the following subjects.

The data to support ages of the earth from > 10,00 years to > 1,000,000,000 years

  • > 10,000 years
    • Dendrochronology
    • Human Y-chromosome ancestry
    • Oxidizable Carbon Ratio dating
    • Rock varnish
    • Thermoluminescence dating
  • > 100,000 years
    • Coral
    • Fission track dating
    • Ice layering
    • Lack of DNA in fossils
    • Permafrost
    • Weathering rinds
  • > 1,000,000 years
    • Amino Acid racemization
    • Baptistina asteroid family
    • Continental drift
    • Cosmogenic nuclide dating
    • Erosion
    • Geomagnetic reversals
    • Impact craters
    • Iron-manganese nodules
    • Length of the prehistoric day
    • Naica megacrystals
    • Nitrogen in diamonds
    • Petrified wood
    • Relativistic jets
    • Sedimentary varves
    • Stalactites
    • Space weathering
  • > 1,000,000,000 years
    • Distant starlight
    • Helioseismology
    • Lunar retreat
    • Radioactive decay

Christianity and Mythology

The objective of this section is to point out that almost all human cultures have myths about common themes that are also found in Christianity such as creation, flood, virgin birth and afterlife myths. Many of these myths pre-date Christianity or even the Jewish culture. So what is more plausible; 1) the Christian myths are true and all others are false or 2) the Christian myths are just another set of cultural myths (Jewish in this case) among the myriad of other myths spanning most human cultures.

  1. Myth – a sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind assumed their present form. Wikipedia - Mythology
    1. Can also refer to a traditional story
    2. Ideology in narrative form
    3. Transmitted to convey religious or idealized experience, to establish behavioral models, and to teach
    4. As sacred stories, myths are often endorsed by rulers and priests and closely linked to religion or spirituality
    5. A myth is usually regarded as a true account of the remote past
    6. Many societies have two categories of traditional narrative, “true stories” or myths, and “false stories” or fables
    7. Creation myths generally take place in a primordial age, when the world had not yet achieved is current form, and explain how the world gained its current form and how customs, institutions and taboos were established
      1. Many cultures have a creation myth
    8. Closely related to myth are legend and folklore
    9. When a myth loses its status as part of a religious system, it often takes on traits more typical of folktales, with its formally divine characters reinterpreted as human heroes, giants, or fairies
  2. Origins of Myth
    1. Euhemerism
      1. Distorted accounts of real historical events. Storytellers repeatedly elaborated upon historical accounts until the figures in those accounts gained the status of gods.
    2. Allegory
      1. Myths began as allegories for natural phenomena. Apollo represents the sun; Poseidon represents water, etc.
        1. Personification
      2. Of inanimate objects and forces. Ancients worshiped natural phenomena such as fire and air, gradually coming to describe them as gods.
        1. Myth-ritual theory
      3. The existence of myth is tied to ritual. Myths arose to explain rituals.
  3. Functions of Myth
    1. Establish models of behavior and religious experience
      1. Reproduce conditions of the mythical age
    2. Render a cosmology – an image of the universe for the individual
    3. Support the current social order, to integrate the individual organically with his group
      1. Political interpretation of myths to the advantage of one group within a society or one society within a group of nations
    4. Initiate the individual into the order of realities of his own psyche
  4. Creation Myths
    1. “A creation myth (or creation story) is a cultural, traditional or religious myth which describes the earliest beginnings of the present world. Creation myths are the most common form of myth, usually developing first in oral traditions, and are found throughout human culture. A creation myth is usually regarded by those who subscribe to it as conveying profound truths, although not necessarily in a historical or literal sense. They are commonly, although not always, considered cosmogonical myths—that is they describe the ordering of the cosmos from a state of chaos or amorphousness.” -- (Wikipedia)
      1. List of Creation Myths
      2. List of Creation Myths - Wikipedia
  5. Virgin/Miraculous Birth Myths
    1. A study of ancient literature discloses the fact that myths of virgin births were part of many -- if not all -- of the surrounding pagan religions in the place where, and at the time when, Christianity arose.
      1. List of Virgin or Miraculous Birth Myths
      2. List of Miraculous Births - Wikipedia
  6. Flood Myths
    1. A flood myth or deluge myth is a narrative in which a great flood, usually sent by a deity or deities, destroys civilization, often in an act of divine retribution. -- Wikipedia
    2. Many human cultures lived in areas that were prone to periodic severe floods. To this day, many regions of the Earth are still prone of severe floods. Some of these floods were likely so severe they may have seemed to be global to the ancient culture, however, this is not likely based on current scientific knowledge.
      1. List of Flood Myths - Wikipedia
  7. Afterlife Myths
    1. In philosophy, religion, mythology, and fiction, the afterlife (also referred to as life after death or the Hereafter) is the concept of a realm, or the realm itself (whether physical or transcendental), in which an essential part of an individual's identity or consciousness continues to exist after the death of the body in the individual's lifetime. - Wikipedia
      1. List of Afterlife Myths - Wikipedia

Christianity and Common Religious Practices

The objective of this section is to point out that "religion" and its common practices have been around since the dawn of man. It started with folk or indigenous religions (which still exist) and evolved to worldwide religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. There are also many recently founded religions such as Church of the Latter Day Saints, Scientology, etc. See Wikipedia - Religion for more details.

The book "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong is a good overview of the origin of the Abrahamic religions of Christianity, Islam an Judaism.

There are literally thousands of religions around the world, many claiming to represent the "One True God." So which one, if any, is true?

Questions to think about:

  1. If one true God does exist, which one is it?
  2. If one true God does exist, why has God not revealed itself to ALL human cultures and instituted a common belief system and common religious practices?

Following is a list of practices that can be found in almost all religions. Not all religions practice all of these, but the main point is that there are many common practices across all religions. The theologies, histories, rituals, etc., may be unique to each culture, but the religious frameworks are similar.

  1. Believe in one or more God(s)
  2. Sacred texts or history
  3. Religious laws or lifestyles
  4. Festivals
  5. Feasts
  6. Rituals
  7. Matrimonial services
  8. Funeral services
  9. Prayer and meditation
  10. Personal God: Prayed to the god(s) for personal intervention
  11. The God(s) were located in the sky
    1. os 8:20 (ESV) “So when the men of Ai looked back, behold, the smoke of the city went up to heaven …”
  12. Concept of Hell
    1. Plato talks about hell in The Republic, Book 2.7 (4th century BC)
    2. Apuleius, Metamorphosis Ch 11 – talks about hell ~ 200 AD.
  13. The God(s) had a son and sent him to the earth
  14. Built temples to worship their god
  15. Song and Dance during worship
  16. Confession of sins
  17. Gods concerned themselves with earthly society
  18. Gods were used as authority by rulers to go to war or commit other heinous acts
  19. Gods had intelligence and will
  20. Gods either aided or opposed man’s plans and efforts
  21. Gods rewarded men for fidelity and virtue and punished them for impiety and sin
  22. Creation myths to explain how humans originated
  23. Virgin birth myths to give the God(s) superhuman origin
  24. Miracles attributed to the God(s)
  25. Sacrifices to please the God(s)
  26. Priests to administer/interpret religious framework
  27. God(s) have eternal life and you can too
  28. Prophesies (pagans called them oracles)
  29. Notion of good and evil (see Egyptian Book of the Dead, chapter 125)
  30. Slaves
  31. Visions/Dreams (messages sent by God)
  32. Daemons
  33. Salvation
  34. Baptism
  35. Soul
  36. Angels
  37. Sages, Necromancers, Witches, etc.

More on Christianity and Common Religious Practices

Evil and the Christian God

"Is the pious (τὸ ὅσιον) loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" Plato's dialogue Euthyphro
Modern interpretation: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?"
  • The fact that God commands NOT to kill AND commands TO kill has to be one of the biggest contradictions in the Bible. [comment by detecting truth author]
    • Mark 12:31 (ESV) ““You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.”” Matt 5:43-48 (ESV) “You have heard it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy,” But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you … you therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
      • The list of Old Testament atrocities (see below) attests that the heavenly Father is not perfect and does not love thy enemy. The list contains God commanded examples of: [comment by detecting truth author]
        • Murder
        • Genocide
        • Human Sacrifice
  • Lev 19:18 (ESV) “You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of you own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”
    • This, based on the context, seems valid only within the Hebrew tribes, as is also shown below. No mercy was given to non-Hebrew nations. [comment by detecting truth author]
  • Exodus 20:13 (ESV)– Thou shalt not murder; Deu 5:17 (ESV)– You shall not murder.
  • Exodus 20:13 (KJV) – Thou shalt not kill; Deu 5:17 (KJV) – Thou shalt not kill
    • Yet God ordered the murder of entire cities over and over again. [comment by detecting truth author]
  • Is the God of the Old Testament the SAME unchanging God of the New Testament? If so, this God cannot be the source of our morality, irregardless of any teachings by Jesus. [comment by detecting truth author]
    • Malachi 3:6 ESV “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.”
    • Hebrews 13:8 ESV “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
    • John 10:30 ESV "I and the Father are one." a Jesus quote
    • Thus, Jesus is the one that commanded all the atrocities listed below. [comment by detecting truth author]
“The problem of vindicating an omnipotent and omniscient God in the face of evil (this is traditionally called the problem of theodicy) is insurmountable. Those who claim to have surmounted it, by recourse to notions of free will and other incoherencies, have merely heaped bad philosophy onto bad ethics. Surely there must come a time when we will acknowledge the obvious: theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. “ Sam Harris – The End of Faith
After reading the following list (and looking up the verses), I could no longer worship this God and sing songs such as: Awesome God - [comment by detecting truth author]
Our God (our god) is an Awesome God
He Reigns (he reigns) from heaven above
With Wisdom (with wisdom) pow'r and love
Our God is an Awesome God
I don't think this God (or any god) exists. I think Israel used the concept of God, just like all other nations at the time, to justify the nation's war efforts and motivate the population in support of such evil behavior. And this is still occurring to this day around the world in many nations. [comment by detecting truth author]
The morality encoded in modern civil law far surpasses the morality demonstrated in the Bible.[comment by detecting truth author]

OLD TESTAMENT

  1. God does evil. Amos 3:6; Lamentations 3:38; Isaiah 45:7
  2. Bears kill children - 2 Kings 2:23-24 (ESV) – “He (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.”
  3. Numbers 31:17 – Moses said, ESV “… now therefore kill male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.” Numbers 31:25 (ESV) The Lord said to Moses, 26 “Take the count of the plunder that was taken, both of man and of beast, you and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathers' houses of the congregation, 27 and divide the plunder into two parts between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation. 28 And levy for the Lord a tribute from the men of war who went out to battle, one out of five hundred, of the people and of the oxen and of the donkeys and of the flocks.
    1. So the Lord seems to be complicit in this atrocity. [comment by detecting truth author]
  4. Gen 6 & 7 – God is unhappy with mankind and kills every human on earth except Noah’s family; greatest mass murderer in history?? [comment by detecting truth author]
    1. Also, it was unnecessary as God is, supposedly, omniscient and knew man would continue to be sinful and God would continue to be unhappy with man. Just does not make sense. [comment by detecting truth author]
  5. Gen 34:13-29 – The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.
  6. Gen 38:7 – God kills Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord
  7. Gen 38.9 – God kills Onan for spilling his seed on the ground
  8. Gen 19:26 – God kills Lot’s wife by turning her to a pillar of salt for looking back at Sodom.
  9. Ex 2:12 – Moses murders an Egyptian
  10. Exoduos – the Egyptian plagues – God could have easily freed the Hebrews, but instead, inflicted many plagues on the Egyptian people, most of whom were innocent, just to “show” he is Lord; none like him; has great power; his name be declared; give Israel something to talk about with their children (Ex 10:2). [comment by detecting truth author]
  11. Ex 9:22 – God causes hail to fall and “strike down” man and beast in the field.
  12. Ex 12:29 – God kills all first born in Egypt
  13. Ex 17:13 – Moses and Joshua wipes out Amalek. ESV “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it in the ears of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under the heaven.””
  14. Ex 21 – Laws about slaves – presumably from the Lord as this is right after the 10 commandments.
  15. Ex 21:20-21 – ESV “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.”
  16. Ex 3:27 – ESV “”Thus says the Lord God of Israel, “put your sword on your side each his brother and his companion and his neighbor.”” 3000 were killed.
  17. Le 26:7-8 - Blessings for Obedience – ESV “You shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.”
  18. Le 26:22 – Punishment for Disobedience – ESV “But if you will not listen to me and will not do all these commandments …” goes on to list numerous atrocities that will be inflicted upon the people. “visit you with panic … wasting disease and fever that consume the eyes … you shall be struck down before your enemies … let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children … “
  19. Lev 26:29; also in Deu 28:53; Jer 19:9; Eze 5:8-10– and it continues – ESV “You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.”
  20. Lev 26:29 – Human sacrifice is condoned.
  21. Jug 11:30-39 – Jephthah’s vow – ESV “If you give the Ammonites into my hand, then whatever comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites shall be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.” V34 “and behold, his daughter came out to meet him with tambourines and with dances. She was his only child; … and at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow that the had made.”
  22. Num 11:33 – ESV “While the meat was yet between their teeth, before it was consumed, the anger of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord struck down the people with a very great plague.”
  23. Num 12:10 – God made Miriam a leper. ESV “When the cloud removed from the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow”
  24. Deu 7:2 – complete destruction – God gave then over.
  25. Josh 1:1-9 Joshua receives the Lord’s blessing for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
  26. Josh 6:17 – Jericho – devoted to the Lord for destruction – so the Lord was with Joshua
  27. Josh 6:21 – Men, women, young, old, animals, etc. (Jericho)
  28. Josh 7:19-26 Achan, his children and cattle are stoned and burned to death for taking some spoils of war.
  29. Josh 8:25-26 – Men & women & all inhabitants (AI) 12,000 killed. ESV - “Only the livestock and the spoil of that city Israel took as their plunder, according to the word of the Lord that he commanded Joshua.”
  30. Josh 10:12 – God caused the Sun and moon to stand still – for what purpose? So the Israelites could finish wiping out their enemy. One of the greatest alleged miracles was committed for the purpose of war.
  31. Josh 10:10-27 – ESV “and the Lord threw them into a panic before Israel …” Israel destroys the Gibonites
  32. Josh 10:28 – ESV “he (Joshua) devoted to destruction every person in it” – Makkedah
  33. Josh 10:30 – ESV “And the Lord gave it (Libnah) also and its king into the hand of Israel .. and he struck it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it; he left none remaining in it.”
  34. Josh 10:32-33 – ESV “And the Lord gave Lachish into the hand of Israel … with the edge of the sword, and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah.”
  35. The Old Testament God instructed Jews to wipe out entire cities. [comment by detecting truth author]
  36. Josh 10:34-35 – Joshua killed everyone in Eglon.
  37. Josh 10:36-37 – Joshua killed everyone in Hebron.
  38. Josh 10:38-39 – Joshua killed everyone in Debir.
  39. Josh 10:40 – ESV “So Joshua struck the whole land, … he left none remaining, but devoted to destruction all that breathed, just as the Lord God of Israel commanded.”
  40. Josh 11:6 – ESV “the Lord said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid .. you shall hamstring their horses …” What is the point of this animal cruelty??? Just kill them if you don’t want the enemy to use them in war. MRD
  41. Josh 11:8-15 – Joshua kills all in Hazor and all the cities of those kings – did not leave any who breathed.
  42. Josh 11:20 - ESV “For it was the Lord’s doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be devoted to destruction and should receive no mercy but be destroyed, just as the Lord commanded Moses.” This one is especially evil as the Lord hardened their hearts so they would be destroyed rather than enslaved. What is the point? MRD

a) See Deut 20:1 for rules of warfare b) Deut 20:10 – When you draw near to a city …, offer terms of peace to it. If it responds to you peaceably …, all the people… do forced labor for you.

  1. Josh 11:21-23 – Joshua destroys Anakim
  2. Jud 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
  3. Jud 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his thumbs and big toes.
  4. Jud 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites Jerusalem.
  5. Jud 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath.
  6. Jud 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
  7. Jud 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad.
  8. Jud 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground.
  9. Jud 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon.
  10. Jud 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel.
  11. Jud 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
  12. Jud 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city.
  13. Jud 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died."
  14. Jud 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord. More human sacrifice - [comment by detecting truth author]
  15. Jud 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men.
  16. Jud 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
  17. Jud 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's eyes.
  18. Jud 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women.
  19. Jud 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish.
  20. Jud 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
  21. Jud 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and beasts and all that they found," and set their towns on fire.
  22. Jud 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred young virgins whom they bring back for their own use.
  23. 1 Sam 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot soldiers.
  24. 1 Sam 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for having stolen the Ark.
  25. 1 Sam 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's abode.)
  26. 1 Sam 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the Philistines.
  27. 1 Sam 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his men cut down the Ammonites.
  28. 1 Sam 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the Philistines.
  29. 1 Sam 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
  30. 1 Sam 15:3, 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
  31. 1 Sam 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord ...."
  32. 1 Sam 18:7 The women sing as they make merry: "Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands."
  33. 1 Sam 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and infants were included in the slaughter.)
  34. 1 Sam 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
  35. 2 Sam 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
  36. 2 Sam 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
  37. 2 Sam 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth, behead him, and take his head to David.
  38. 2 Sam 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed, their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies hanged by the pool at Hebron.
  39. 2 Sam 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded him, and smote the Philistines ...."
  40. 2 Sam 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren throughout her life.
  41. 2 Sam 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's murderous conquests.)
  42. 2 Sam 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the horses.
  43. 2 Sam 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
  44. 2 Sam 8:6, 14 "The Lord gave victory to David wherever he went."
  45. 2 Sam 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
  46. 2 Sam 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
  47. 2 Sam 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
  48. 2 Sam 12:1, 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead for the sin that David has committed.
  49. 2 Sam 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes her, then hates her.
  50. 2 Sam 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
  51. 2 Sam 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the battle in the forest of Ephraim.
  52. 2 Sam 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
  53. 2 Sam 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him, stopped."
  54. 2 Sam 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel that kills 70,000 men.
  55. 1 Kings 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
  56. 1 Kings 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
  57. 1 Kings 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
  58. 1 Kings 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in spite of the fact that the man had been lied to by a prophet who told the man that an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there.
  59. 1 Kings 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians.
  60. 2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes fifty men.
  61. 2 Kings 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
  62. 2 Kings 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy.
  63. 2 Kings 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
  64. 2 Kings 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
  65. 2 Kings 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
  66. 2 Kings 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
  67. 2 Kings 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain.
  68. 2 Kings 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father in baskets – later placed at the entrance of the gate.
  69. 2 Kings 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
  70. 2 Kings 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...."
  71. 2 Kings 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers.
  72. 2 Kings 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
  73. 2 Kings 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.
  74. 2 Kings 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
  75. 2 Kings 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.
  76. 2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
  77. 1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes."
  78. 2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
  79. 2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
  80. PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your little ones against the stones.
  81. PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle.
  82. IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
  83. IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children."
  84. IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers."
  85. IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
  86. JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."
  87. LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off than those who die of famine; racked with hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ... pitiful women have cooked their own children, who became their food ..."
  88. EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...."
  89. EZ 14:9 ESV “And if the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.” God kills prophets that he deceives for speaking the word God gave him???
  90. EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."
  91. EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children. More human sacrifice - MRD
  92. EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh.
  93. EZ 23:25, 47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores.
  94. EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and tear your breasts."
  95. HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
  96. MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron."
  97. NEW TESTAMENT
  98. MT 3:12, 8:12, 10:21, 13:30, 42, 22:13, 24:51, 25:30, LK 13:28, JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  99. MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his brother to death, and the father his child, ... children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death."
  100. MT 10:34-39 "Not Peace, but a Sword."
  101. MT 15:21 – Jesus is mean to a women
  102. (ESV)34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
  103. MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works.
  104. AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though not permanently)

Thought Provokers

"The Garden of Eden is supposed to be a literal place somewhere in the world guarded by a flaming sword. If the Garden of Eden with its talking snake, magical fruit and flaming sword doesn’t literally exist then there was no reason for Jesus to literally die on the cross. Yet the entire world has been explored and observed by satellite, and no Garden of Eden or flaming swords exist. The whole story was mythology." -- WiseSloth.wordpress.com - 10 scriptures that reveal the Bible is mythology

"Notice also that the story of the Garden of Eden was supposed to be the first thing that ever happened. Yet there’s a sword there. It’s more likely that humans invented swords in the Bronze Era and included their invention in their creation myth than it is that God created the first sword." -- WiseSloth.wordpress.com - 10 scriptures that reveal the Bible is mythology

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References

  1. Bertrand Russell, The Problems of Philosophy (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1912), 156 f